When you're one of the benchmarks for future wrestlers? When your contributions to wrestling have become part of it's widespread make up?

It's hard to phrase properly. I suppose it's one up from "veteran". A veteran wrestler who's work and influence is known by the majority, across stylistic and generational boundries.

said with such elequence.

By the way Wrestle-Zone, calm down. Dont turn to suicide... we forgive you!! *group hug*

Stam

just want to emphasise the word legend and how you become a legend, and what the greats of British wrestling have done for the future wrestlers….

British wrestling was once successful, and without the legends and the great people who helped make the British wrestling scene, then I doubt none of us would actually be here now talking about British wrestling, never mind the wrestlers and the promotions of today.

From the Crabtree’s to the Dale Martins, Ted Beresford and Brian Dixon to many more names…These guys promoted the shows and sadly some have passed on, but Brian Dixon remains and is no doubt the number 1 promoter in the UK and maybe in Europe….

Wrestling greats all worked for these guys, and at one point all the promoters came together and joined up as Joint Promotions…

British wrestling had some of the finest wrestlers in the world and our wrestlers were actually respected for their hard mat wrestling…. British wrestlers were also feared as they were among the toughest and highly trained guys and gals…

Some great names made their way on to the British wrestling scene. Most became household names when over 10 million viewers watched them on ITV.

If anyone of you asks someone older like your grandparents or parents about wrestling, I guarantee they can real off a list of names.

We had icons, wrestlers who will never be forgotten, wrestlers that could wrestle and made huge names for themselves, not just in the UK but all over the world.

We produced some of the world’s finest wrestlers and some of the world’s finest spectacles.

Roller Ball Rocco, Alan Colbeck, Mick Mcmanus, Jim Hussy, Giant Haystacks, Big Daddy, Johnny Saint, Johnny Kidd, Alan Kilby, Skull Murphy, Cyanide Sid Copper, Cat Weasil, Pat Roach, Danny Boy Collins, Marty Jones, Mal Sanders, Steve Grey, Tony St Claire, Bert Royal, Adrain Street, Bobby Barnes, Vic Faulkner, Les Kellett, Kendo Nagasaki, Brian Maxine and many many more names came through the ranks and made huge names for themselves.

We all owe gratitude and respect to all of the past names and for the memories and for the huge popularity they gave to our wrestling scene…

Today British wrestling is a shell of its former self, but it is here, and without those guys we wouldn’t be sat here talking about wrestling.

These guys are the legends, and word “Legend” should not be used lightly it’s an honour.

That’s why I got upset at Gary’s comment on Iceman…

You might not think they are legends, they can be heroes, but to be a legend you have to accomplish what the former wrestlers did, what the wrestlers of yester years did for this business, and show them respect.

You might not like what they did in the ring, you might not like who they were and how they wrestled, but they sure as hell worked their asses off and gave us all some great memories and put British wrestling on the map.

From the promoters to the wrestlers, lets give them all credit.

Today’s wrestlers work hard at what they do, but to be legendary means you have to be known for doing some great things, and accomplishing the highest of accolades.

Lets show respect lets credit them all and everyone, but remember who was the legend, and who are the idols of today.

For the last time, The context of LEGEND used in the interview was slang for diamond geezer, great friend, NOT as legendry like the Hulk Hogan, The honky tonk man, Andre the Giant etc.

I cant use the names Aaron uses as I said earlier half of them I don't know. I was not brought up on British wrestling, I came from a tiny town in Cumbria, a place not even Max Crabtree would venture to. My dad and granddad were boxers, wrestling was not a mans sport in our house, so it was rare to watch it on TV either. So before anyone decides to judge me further, we are not all traditional wrestling know alls, I only got into wrestling 4 years ago. Yes that's right, and in 4 years I have come a long way. The most successful website in Europe, a start of a great promotion and a great deal of knowledge that I have picked up from many people, some who have been in the business a few years some who have been in 20 years plus.

I am sick of being judged by to many so called tradition fans, in the way I run my site, my opinions on traditional wrestling and most importantly the way I run my promotion. I have a decent fan _base_ and am trying my level best to help build the UK scene back up, pulling away from the tributes that have ripped a new arse in British Wrestling. In our school we teach the values of wrestling, not just the moves, any muppet can learn the moves, hell even I have!! But the art of pro wrestling in an entertainment _style_, YES ENTERTAINMENT, that's what its all about. Teaching of old school techniques and values. Our wrestlers might not be the guys with the biggest muscles, have the latest gear, but they give 100% and the fans go home happy. Comments have been made that many of them don't look like wrestlers, I agree with that and that's being changed.

Back to the subject of Legends, I don't have no past legends of wrestling, as I did not watch them or know them. My legends in what ever context I wish to put them in are MY OPINIONS and I am en_title_d to them no matter what. I am sick of trying to please everyone all of the time. I try and keep people happy, to find out a certain promoter talked two people from coming to the Mark Sloan seminar after bad mouthing me and Mark. I know who you are!!! That's the sort of crap I put up with. All I want to do is run my sites the way the fans like it, run my promotion the way I like to and be able to decide who I feel is a legend with out someone deliberately trying to cause friction once again.

I have the uttermost respect from the traditional guys of yesteryear and those who still run the ropes now. But I cant call them legends as I know nothing about them. There are artists and classical musicians that are legends in the modern day, names that no one on here would have heard of, they are not legends to you, but someone else they are....

On a closing note, feeling pretty pissed off and down, because I can say one thing, it gets deliberately put of context and I am slated for it. I love wrestling, British, American, Mexican, and Japanese its all the same to me entertainment of a sort. I am not a old fan I am a new fan of wrestling, you guys wonder why wrestling is in the pits at the moment, maybe if you stopped and thought for one minute before spouting and flapping your gums, so many people would not be turned off by British wrestling.............................


Gary

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Legends are the product of creation, dedication and hard work... lets not forget a touch of class or mystery. I have been a fan of the wrestling business for over 20 years now. I tuned in to World of sport, Traded tapes, and to this day still throw parties on every single PPV. Britain and europe alike have a huge wealth of talent. Legends in the making.

Thanks to schools and training facilities with dedicated instructors who live for wrestling, we will be able to greet a new era in british wrestling. I can be found at almost every show in the country in can get to. I see people in all organisations who have some form of passion for what they do. British wrestling has reached another cross roads. I believe that this next year will test the _meta_l of british wrestling. And.... with a little guidence.... Open a new chapter and introduce new Legends.

Keep working hard. There is a very fine line between normal and legendary.

Stam


Keep working hard... You know who you are

Gary seems your innocent comment has caused great offence, although I can see where Aaron is coming from at the end of the day we can all consider different people legends for whatever reasons we see fit.