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Old school vs. New School... your help and opinions... 5 Years, 2 Months ago  
Hi. i am studying Media at A level and for my coursework i am doing an extract from a documentary. my topic is wrestling... particuarly looking at old school against new school. why british wrestling took a huge decline and the U.S took over. is new school wrestling to blame or is old school just too out of date?.. are gimmicks and storylines taking precedent over the sport side of things? does Britain follow America in terms of wrestling and other forms of entertainment?

Your opinions and thoughts would help me a lot. please try and keep it as serious as possible thank you. Carl
 
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Re: Old school vs. New School... your help and opinions... 5 Years, 2 Months ago  
You'll certainly get some feedback from the forums on this subject. David Mantell will probably be able to help you out a little.

Gimmicks however have been around for years and are probably older than God's donkey to be honest. Britain had some wild and wooley characters too you know. You know, many of the Americans who visit our shores prefere the "Old School" British _style_ even to this day.

Me.... I like to see a mixture of mat _base_d technical with a good story to tell for good measure. I like the old Stampede _style_... Very good technical workers with a natural gift to entertain.

Stam
 
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Re: Old school vs. New School... your help and opinions... 5 Years, 2 Months ago  
But you must ask what exactly is "Old School" and what is "New School"? Where does the difference come in? Is "New School" merely a way to categorize (and find ways to defend) the modern-day's heavy reliance on spot-fests? But even then, "Old School" British Wrestling wasn't all-that-much-dissimilar to what AJ _style_s and co (ie, "New School") do if you look into it (as in if you look closely into the wrestling and the way matches are/were worked).

To me, there's just different _style_s of wrestling (King's Road, Strong _style_, Shoot _style_, Lucha-Libre, Llave, Entertainment/TV et cetera ad nauseum...), and good/bad wrestling transcends those _style_s.

When I hear "New School" it seems to be more or less simply a way to defend all modern spot-fests (which isn't a _style_... any _style_ of wrestling can have spot-fests; a spot-fest by definition is a match where the moves have no meaning/story/coherency and obvously that's something with transcends _style_, the same way logical build/storytelling/coherency et cetera does too) because "that's the way the business has evolved and it's what the modern fan wants"...
 
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Re: Old school vs. New School... your help and opinions... 5 Years, 2 Months ago  
Is there really such a thing as old school and new school, what classes as old school.. Ohh here it comes. This old chestnut again...

We could go back in time, to the Greeks and Romans and the wrestling they used to do, it was competitive but was also entertainment. They would put the big guy (fan Favourite) with the little guy, just so the little guy could be squashed. There was of course the competitive side to it, who was the best, but these events were ran like shows, jobbers and clown types to build up the main events.

Here in the UK, Cumberland and Westmoreland wrestling, been going for centuries, it never got to the scale of the Greek and roman competitions, but still a lot of the grappling moves used in today's wrestling be it pro or amateur were derived from Cumberland and Westmoreland.

Early 1900's, wrestling for gentlemen (I have the seen the book of instruction) Very slim gentlemen would grapple each other, performing an array of submission and throw type holds. The wrestlers would wear tights and stocking feet, different colours would mark out who was who. Again a lot of locks and hold came directly from this period.

1950's England, Carnivals used to have the Boxing challenge, they would challenge people to box their stars and win cash prizes. Many councils and parishes in the UK did not like this and many started to ban the brutality of these bouts. Now the men of the Carnivals did not want to loose their workers so they would set up the rings and turn them into grappling contests. This is what I would call old school. The Carnie men and women would WORK the crowd with pre arranged and pre determined matches, to get people interested and get them into the old boxing tents. People would challenge the ex boxers to grappling contests. This proved a massive hit in many towns and cities across the UK. My grandfather used to tell me all about it. It was the show that people were enjoying, the opening matches and then move up to the bigger blokes taking ont he big blokes from the local communities. Tag Matches were formed and the warnings for headbutting, biting, scratching, 3 warnings and you were out, normally met by several large Carnie workers at the back of the tent.

Then came what people seem to call old school, Dale Martin & the Crabtree's took wrestling in the UK to a new level, turning it into a large show, hitting halls across the UK, Heels and Faces would work the crowd. With a TV deal, Wrestling in the UK took a bigger leap into life. Fathers and Kids would sit down to watch the show, dads would sit there and say this is all fake, but would stay glued to the screen. The likes of Big Daddy and Haystacks, Kendo, Roach, saint and McManus would entertain us week in and week out. But the product started to go stale, audiences at shows and TV dropped and eventually ITV pulled the plug. They still ran the shows, but with out TV and the wrestlers wages to pay, the promotions fell apart and wrestlers retired. Small promotions still ran the regular shows. A lot of the showmanship today was derived from the world of sport _style_ of wrestling.

In the 80's & 90's the WWF started to make waves on SKY TV, the American _style_ of wrestling was hitting the shores, it was fast and exciting, big entrances and clever production, most importantly HUGE crowds. Youngsters people like myself would watch and get excited at the likes of Hogan, Andre the Giant etc. The warnings had gone, the wrestlers would use the ropes and turnbuckles, some would fly off the top. The moves looked more dangerous than before and entertainment wise it was great. With that came the WWF tribute shows, and to be honest after seeing a few they were dreadful, halls would be packed to see the undertaker and L.O.D. only they were not the real thing, poor quality look a likes, parents did not know that they were being ripped off by this, and thought it was the real deal. So now the tribute crowds have died and people are wise.

In the past few years, with the growth of the internet and trans Atlantic tape traders, we in the UK have been introduced to a lot of the American, Japanese and Mexican _style_ wrestling, _style_ of hardcore and extreme wrestling have hit the shores. High flying luchadore wrestling become the norm.

Today, there are several promotions in the UK, doing their own thing. RBW & Premier have stuck with the days of Dale Martin, public warnings and rounds, Hammerlock a lot of mat _base_d, ground attack wrestling, promotions like FWA, wZw, AIWF have moved more towards the American _style_ of mixing everything up, hardcore, mat _base_d, lucha etc.

The thing is there is no such thing as old school and new school, its called a progression, evolution, like everything in life things have to evolve. We went from radio to B/W TV to Colour TV no doubt it will evolve into something better in years to come. People/Fans will always like and dislike certain things that are on offer, people like to go on about the old day and how great it was. I am sure my children in years to come will say off the old days were great. I know I do.

To put an end to this post. As long as the fans are happy and the wrestlers are happy working with the promoters in their _style_ then there should be no bitching or falling out over what some call OLD SCHOOL and what some call NEW SCHOOL. After all what is old school, Romans, Greek, Cumberland, dale martin, tributes, American, hardcore?

Gary

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Re: Old school vs. New School... your help and opinions... 5 Years, 2 Months ago  
What a throughly interesting post gary. Brightened my day that. Cheers bro.

Majik
 
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Re: Old school vs. New School... your help and opinions... 5 Years, 2 Months ago  
You'll certainly get some feedback from the forums on this subject. David Mantell will probably be able to help you out a little.

Rather than spend time rehashing old debates, may I recommend the following threads:

http://forums.1stopwrestling.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1148
http://forums.1stopwrestling.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=266
http://forums.1stopwrestling.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=179
http://forums.1stopwrestling.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=69

Also generally check out the Archived Topics forum for more interesting grist.
 
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