Yes Richard we are also taught upper cuts and forearm smashes, we might not use them a lot in shows but we do know how to do them.

~Cherry, xxx

i'm starting to use a lot more forarms and strikes just to add to make my matches seem a little more hard hitting. I realy dont like the european uppercuts. They look good, but its a realy awkward motion for me.
Elbow strikes are realy nice, esspecialy if u have big, thick pads like me so u can realy go 4 it and make them look legit without killin the guy.

Rob's mates must be seriously dopey if they can find garbage spots more believable than technical manuevers.
So someone clearly opening up another guys forehead is less beleivable than a guy doing armbars and fancy flips to reverse them? Try doing technical wrestling moves in a real fight. It can't be done. Thats why you don't see moves like that in the UFC. I wanted to show them how nasty pro wrestling can be and I did. Now they don't slag me anymore for wanting to be a pro wrestler. I couldn't of done that with a technical bout. Just like most "weined on sports entertainment" wrestling fans they wouldn't of "got it."

What's more, while it's quite easy to comprehend that a submission hold will produce an internal injury such as a torn muscle, not visible on the surface but enough to cause someone to cry out in pain or limp around afterwards, how anyone can seriously believe that someone can take a fireball to the face or be crashed through a solid, sturdy table (as opposed to a rigged-up one) and walk away is beyond me.

Yes the submissions in wrestling are legit but at times its painfully obvious that there is no actual pressure being applyed which would cause such "injuries." A legit submission will instantly make you tap out than the five minute "will he get to the ropes" effort that you see on TV. Dramatic? Yes. Realistic? No!

As for the table and chair this wasn't a shite wwf hardcore match with Crash Holly invovled. I showed them the "Shooting With Sissors Incident" from CZW with Mad Man Pondo vs. Ian Rotten. Very brutal. Some may argue that its not pro wrestling and I kind of agree but it sure made my mates see pro wrestling in a different light and that was my goal.
Oh yes, and garbage is boring. Does absolutely nothing to stimulate the mind. Just plays to the _base_ animal instinct for violence.

Most people say that sex is the most basic human instict but the fact is you will be violent in your life long before you ever worry about sex and violence is human nature. To not enjoy it (even a little bit) is to deny your own humanity. Violence sells just like Sex sells. Basic human instict. That's all it is. Some people like to think that we are above other life forms on this planet when deep down we are as primitive as an ape or household pet.

Rob's mates must be seriously dopey if they can find garbage spots more believable than technical manuevers.
So someone clearly opening up another guys forehead is less beleivable than a guy doing armbars and fancy flips to reverse them? Try doing technical wrestling moves in a real fight. It can't be done.

Go out and buy Geoff Thompson's Ground Fighting series of book and also check out the legendary Farmer Burns Mail order Course from 1915 if you don't believe technical work can be used legitimately. Your average nightclub bouncer will know a thing or two about submissions and how to procure/counter/reverse them.





Yes the submissions in wrestling are legit but at times its painfully obvious that there is no actual pressure being applyed which would cause such "injuries." A legit submission will instantly make you tap out than the five minute "will he get to the ropes" effort that you see on TV. Dramatic? Yes. Realistic? No!

The five minute "will he get to the ropes" is part of the American entertainment _style_, not the British technical _style_, where the hold gets reversed or countered.

Oh yes, and garbage is boring. Does absolutely nothing to stimulate the mind. Just plays to the _base_ animal instinct for violence.

Most people say that sex is the most basic human instict but the fact is you will be violent in your life long before you ever worry about sex and violence is human nature. To not enjoy it (even a little bit) is to deny your own humanity.

But garbage is a very dumbed-down form of violence You mention sex, well garbage is to violence what laddish drunken masculocentric shagging with no romance no flirtatiousness no foreplay no sense of magic is to sex.

This had nothing to do with British Wrestling since none of my mates have ever seen a british match in there lives. It is irrelivent. You just need to read the ITC Wrestling Report Wrestling Data_base_ posted to see the light in which wrestling is seen. Pathetic, fake and buffonery are some of the words featured in that report. I've never seen an "old school" British Match but some of the featured comments also seen the "Old British Wrestling" as buffonery no matter how well WORKED the moves where.

I actually read that report a long time ago.

As I recall, there are two separate batches of comments on British Wrestling in there. One lot who saw it as buffoonery (probably inspired by Big Daddy vs Giant Haystacks) and another lot who saw it as more serious, more believable, possibly even a shoot, certainly as compared with the WWF etc.