Well there is a few good points there but i see it you have to have different types of matches...

Guys that can wrestle, guys that can do the hardcore, guy that what come off the balcony/ladder and then some other types of matches...

I love a good wrestling match Benoit wrestling is always great espcially some of the Japanese stuff he done... But as you all know Benoit has done the ladder matches and the cage matches... Wrestlers have to be able to do a little bit of evertything...

Anyway back to the point the entertainment factor or some pantomine wrestling means sometimes you need it too keep fans intrested... Fans that dont know real wrestling get bored easily and i've heard it from certain 2 wrestlers i know they "dont like the touchy feeling wrestling" now i disagree with the both of them but as i see you couldnt have a full show with just pure wrestling cause the average fan would get bored and go home complaining about the show he/she just seen...

But you have to have the pantomine and wrestling factor to make a blend of an entertaining show...

One thing i wont say is there isnt good talent in the UK to have a good wrestling match cause there is and must be...

But yes the fakes she go away as should the one this month in Glasgow in a certain theatre... But the fans will pack the place and they will be back at the baginning of the year... Damn it...



Aidan

Ok, I'll rephrase what I said, there's not the talent (from what I've seen) in the UK to have good (a good story, with good build and nothing starying from the story at hand, with obviously, good execution and selling) match, on their own.

I definately think the tributes and rip-offs should be ditched. No more Kanes and 'Takers advertised and no more fake Doink The Clowns.

However, the "pantomine" is a totally different question. Although I don't personally like the British type of pantomine much, I do feel it is needed for the wrestling scene to grow. I like The Hurricane on the US scene and I also like the other WWE gimmicks (such as Kane or Noble's hilbilly type "pantomine"). However, I think the continual pantomine in British wrestling is not good, but it is needed to an extent. No pantomine because the older or "true wrestling" fans won't like it, but yes to pantomine, because the younger kids who make the majority of the fan_base_ will like it.

It's a tough question, but yeah, tributes and rip-offs should definately be out the door.

Yes, unfortunately, the UK is very few in actual wrestling fans...

Then the priority must be to attract new fans, and attract them in large numbers. The comedy stuff will attract some, but I believe there are also numbers of potential fans out there who have yet to be turned onto wrestling, and will only be turned onto it by the kind of skillful wrestling such as you wish were more prevalent. Indeed, one can make the case that the comedy or pantomime stuff should be used, limitedly but strategically, to make the "pure" wrestling stand out that much more on a card.

but I'm yet to see on ANY show I've seen from the UK, ONE good wrestling match. Now, OK, do SOME of the "entertainment" shit in some matches, but surely logic would say, use 15% of your show (1, maybe 2 matches) for the 15% of the crowd who ARE wrestling fans...

I back you 100% on this point. Wrestling must, over and above all, resemble sport. This means it must not focus on comedy but build around the more skilled wrestlers. If there is a dearth of skilled wrestlers in UK, then this is one of the challenges that the British wrestling industry MUST address if it is to embrace the much sought after "way forward".

I will now add to what i think wrestling should be.....

Wrestling doesnt need the fakes, and if i know a wrestler who wants to be on my show and wrestles as a fake i will not use him....

Wrestling back in the days where legends were made had straight laced wrestling, it had wrestlers with charisma, wrestlers had this uniqueness, each one had a _style_ and look completely different not just to the guys they worked with, but to anyone one wrestler from around the world.

Copying off a wrestler or wanting to be the next Rock just wont work...

Now we all go to wrestling shows to be entertained, well thats what wrestlers are there to do, they entertain the fans, and they involve everyone of those fans in to the match-up. If you dont involve the fan and all you do is wrestle, then the fan will become bored, and then you have a fan who as no interest in that match therefore the match will come over as very bad.

So wrestling does posses pantomine. I dont like gimmicks, some are ok, but cartoon gimmicks are dreadful, i like to see wrestlers that use their proper name or a name that is ordinary like Doug Williams or Flash Barker. Going out there and wrestling as the Dark Lord or Mother Goose is pathetic... Gimmicks work if the wrestler looks the part. Thunder and Dominator look the part, Spidrman looks silly and makes me want to puke.

Show Stealer? well you have to be a Show Stealer and be the best there is to use that name, sadly the guy that uses it isnt in that catergory. Hence if he was called the Show Sleeper then the name would fit superb to the gimmick.

But as i say a gimmick must match the wrestler taking on the gimmick.

The wrestler needs to look the part, Giant Haystacks, Adrian Street, Bobby Barnes, Les Kellet and many more had this aura about them, their gimmicks worked, everything they did made them stand out.

Now if a wrestler goes out their and wrestlers as the Lightning Kid and moves around like a 500lb wrestler then the gimmick would suck.

What i am saying is wrestling needs to have wrestlers that fit the gimmick and use the gimmick they use to full efectiveness. too many wrestlers come over as a waste of time. You also have wrestlers that support their gimmick and come over superb.

You need some sort of pantmone in matches, and i have watched many shows where wrestlers go out to the ring and wrestle and do not involve the fans, the match might be good to a few, but too most it comes over as rubbish and if every match just resolved around 2 men wrestling and not involving the fans then most of the spectators will not go back to the 2nd show.

So you need pantomine, you need to also be able to wrestle, and you also need to have a gimmick that works and not just have a gimmick just because it sounds good.

Wrestling also needs to move away from sports entertainment and the rounds system needs to be introduced, and give wrestling a more unique _style_, i will be making traditional British wrestling a much bigger part of RBW shows starting on November 16th.

We can all have our say on how wrestling should be, for me this is my vision of wrestling, you might have another vision completely different to mine, but hey its just my oppinion so please dont slag me off for it.

[quote="Spike"]Wrestling is and will always be the most unique form of entertainment. There are of course many different types of wrestling, for people that want to see blood and guts there are Garbage promotions like CZW and XPW,


czw rules dont dis it say what you want about xpw as i dont give a toss about that.